Military/Service Discipline

2002 DISCIPLINE MEETING MINUTES

27^th-29^th September, 2002 Annual General Meeting.

'ATHOL' WOOLSHED, URALLA NSW – SSAA Armidale.

 Meeting commenced at 1810hrs.

 Welcome by Ian Crabbe.

 Appointment of Minutes Secretary, Mick Moriarty.

 Minutes of previous meeting discussed. P Szacsvay recommended that minutes be adopted. Seconded by W Cole.

 No Business arising.

 Chairman's Report.

 Ian reported to the meeting that Noel Cross had passed away and would be sorely missed by all  that knew him. He will be missed as a shooter, as a leader and organiser.

 Ian stated that the past year had been a good year and the discipline had moved forward and that numbers had grown.  He welcomed Bathurst Branch to MSR.  Work at Silverdale was progressing well and pop up targets were on the way.  Discipline cloth badges were on sale for $8.

12 of these badges had been sent to Noel Cross while he was alive and Ian proposed that the debt for these be waived as he did not wish to disturb Noel's widow. Seconded by Carlos Herreros.

Ian went on to report that there were some funds available and he proposed that these funds be held so that new badges, hats etc could be purchased as required. Seconded by J Brown.

 Ian stated that MSR was now the largest discipline in NSW and accounted for the most medals and awards and also the received the largest funding from SSAA over the last year.

 The Discipline Budget was described by Ian and advice given to clubs re allocations.

 Ian felt that the City v Country match should be included in the MSR program as an official event.  New DC to look at this being possible.  Proposed by D Waters, seconded by C Herreros, accepted.

 Ian described process for claiming assistance towards holding events (much applause) and went on to say that funds were not to be used for range development.

 Ian stated that the club which was to hold the next championships were eligible to receive a $500 grant.

 Ian proposed that SSAA be approached regarding a once off grant for $500 to hold a Noel Cross memorial Shoot. He went on to say that he felt that the event would become self funding after that.

 2nd City v Country shoot discussed.

 Jamie Harris (Noel's relation) reported that there were moves afoot to have part of the CvC shoot renamed in honour of Noel.

 David Waters spoke about the CvC and made a specific point that Noel was the main person behind the silhouette part of the shoot.  Perhaps that part of the event should be named after Noel Cross.  David suggested the Silhouette portion, as he was the key behind it.

 Ian proposed that the $500 grant as offered be accepted to assist a shoot in Noel’s name.

 The importance of full consultation with Noel's widow was discussed.

 Matter discussed at length.

 Carlos Herreros put proposal to meeting that $500 grant be accepted. Seconded by B Norton, carried.

 Ian summarised his report by stating that MSR had collected 69 medals in the past year. He discussed chairman's expenses for which he claimed $300, but failed to claim travelling expenses. The MSR Discipline total grants for the year were $2476.60.

 Brett Norton proposed that Ian's report be accepted, seconded by Carlos Herreros.

 General Business.

 New draft rule book announced and changes read to meeting by Ian Crabbe.

 The meeting voted by way of a show of hands on each of the following parts of the rule book.

3.7                Accepted
5.2           Not Accepted
8.1                Accepted
8.3           Not Accepted
11.8                Accepted
12.1                 Accepted
20.1         Not Accepted
20.2         Not Accepted
20.3         Not Accepted
23                Accepted

Discussion indicated that the meeting felt that ungraded shooters remain in Master Grade.

Proposed I Crabbe, seconded C Herreros.

23.2                Accepted
25.1                Accepted.

It was reported by the minutes secretary, Mick Moriarty that there appeared to be a fire in the room. It was discovered shortly afterwards that Carlos Herreros was in fact smoking an obscenely large Havanna Cigar. Alarm cancelled.

All rules relating to medals accepted.

Ben Doherty bought to the attention of the meeting several concerns of his which he discussed at length. It appears that there are several rifles that do not appear on the approved rifle list. It was felt by the meeting that the list should be reviewed and that rifles which were suitable but not on list be added.

Ian Crabbe proposed that NSW bring up at the national meeting a proposal that the Military rifle list be reviewed. Submissions to Ian by 30th October 2002 and that this be submitted at the meeting in November and if accepted, that it be adopted at the earliest possible opportunity.

 Proposed B Doherty, seconded I Crabbe.

 Discussion re targets for accurised / modified. Ben Doherty felt that the existing targets were too large for this class. The meeting did not agree and it was pointed out that very few possibles had ever been achieved on this target (none in NSW) and that the workload and expense for organisers would be significantly increased. No proposal put to meeting.

 Action M match discussed. I Crabbe proposed that this match be adopted as a MSR main event and not just a side event. Seconded C Herreros, carried.

 3 Range match discussed. I Crabbe proposed that this match be adopted as a MSR main event and not just a side event. Seconded J Harris, carried.

 Ben Doherty raised the issue of unavailability of practice prior to the start of shooting on Saturdays of a weekend shoot, citing the fact that most competitors were unable to get Friday off work as well. The bulk of the meeting felt that shooters should be organised enough upon arrival at a major event. Peter Szacsvay stated that this was why the first match was invariably a 300m deliberate.

 Proposal put to meeting by David Waters: 'If If the host club is able to offer sighting in prior to the matches starting then it will be incorporated at the discretion of the host club. Seconded by Dick Bennett.  Passed.

 Draft Pistol Rules adopted by NSW MSR. Proposed I Crabbe, seconded Dick Bennett.

 State Championships for 2003. I Crabbe proposed to the committee that the Sydney Branch Committee be given three months from the date of the meeting to arrange for hosting of the Championships as he did not have the letter of offer in hand.  P Szacsvay mentioned that he had received such a letter and he would clarify it with the new DC.

 B Doherty requested that scrutineering standards should be consistent across all NSW matches in line with the National competitions, giving the example of a competitor being allowed to compete at a state venue with a firearm or accessory which will be knocked back at the Nationals. S Heidrich pointed out that if scrutineers were allowing a little flexibility this championships and they did point out that it would not be acceptable at a National competition.

 I Crabbe thanked Armidale Club for an excellent event and the tireless efforts of the catering volunteers who were waiting patiently in the wings while the meeting dragged on. He also gave a special vote of thanks to Peter for his efforts, especially his establishing and maintaining of the discipline's website.

 There was no further business.

 I Crabbe declared that the positions of Chairman and Alternate Chairman were vacant and both stepped down.

 Queensland competitors conducted the ballot under supervision of S. Heidrich.

 Call for nominations for Chairman:

 I Crabbe nominated by Ben Doherty, seconded by Brendon O’conner Nomination accepted.

 David Waters nominated by Wayne Cole, seconded by Roman Copot, Nomination accepted.

 D waters elected. Congratulated by I Crabbe.

 Call for nominations for Alternate Chairman:

 Peter Scazavy nominated by I Crabbe, seconded by C Herreros. Accepted nomination.

 Darryl Riley nominated by D Waters (without knowing he was elected chairman at the time), seconded by D Ottery.

 Whilst ballot was being conducted, Darryl withdrew from election, Peter accepted the position.

 David Waters addressed meeting thanking Ian for his efforts over the past years, and promised to devote his full energies in developing the discipline.  He also spoke about opening up the communication channels between branch discipline captains and between competitors so we can all have a say in the disciplines direction.

 David also spoke of a 2003 state grand prix made up of state postals and major club shoots.  He put forward the idea that each range in NSW run a major 1 or 2 days shoot that offers prizes or trophies.   The idea of the GP is to send the top shooters to the state  championships with some form of financial support.  Then possibly send the best NSW team to the nationals without the cost of the entry fee's.  (Applause from the meeting.)

 Meeting closed 2015hrs.

 Meeting followed by awards presentation and dinner.

Mick Moriarty.